And slightly disturbing as well.
I discovered a long time ago there were certain subjects it was best not to debate.
Religion and politics.
If one can have a civil conversation about the two, good for you. I can guarantee if you’re of a differing leaning than me, well, I’m not going to change your mind. You’re not going to change mine either. End of discussion. Cheesecake? Chocolate? Richard? Yes. let’s have some Richard, by all means.
We’ve lost the art of civil discussion when it comes to either of these subjects. We’ve entered an age where if you disagree with me and me telling you you’re wrong doesn’t change your mind and make you side with me and you persist, well, your persistence in your personal opinion that differs from mine hate speech on your part. It’s me telling the truth on mine and yours is hate speech.
I see the hypocrisy in this. I hope you do to.
That said – last night, I was perusing my social media – NOT HERE – and came across a post from a friend of mine.
Now, this person has been my friend for damn near a decade and a half. She was one of my first friends in my chosen fandom. We are polar opposites politically and we understand that. Strange, I have a lot of friends who don’t agree with me politically and I find that amusing as I’ve seen more often than not in this time that if people don’t agree politically, they can’t be friends…
And I find that sad.
This person made a post last night that opened with – I want to discuss… I want to know why…
And off she went. At first, I was excited – I WANTED to discuss the subject matter, but very quickly it became obvious, she DIDN”T want to ‘discuss’ – she wanted to bash and with each ensuing response – all in agreement – it was painfully obvious that anyone with a differing opinion or who could bring a different perspective to the conversation –
Would be bashed. How dare anyone have a differing opinion?
And with each ensuing response, the less I wanted to not only participate, but share my point of view.Β I didn’t even want to make the obvious current connection with the millennias-old book and faith they’re bashing.
And by the end of it, I was deeply, deeply saddened because this was a subject I would have LIKED – no – LOVED to discussed.
And I clicked out of the page and played a game.
But it haunts me – that because of the set up, there can be no discussion, no exchange of views and opinions. Just agree, speak up with the opposing opinion and we’ll bash you until there is nothing left – or stay quiet and we’ll assume your opinion is such a minute minority and doesn’t exist and everyone agrees with us.
I’m aware the most people on the net who has had any dealings with me think I’m a fairly shallow person. Richard. Clothes. Music. books. Spawn. That’s about it for my brain.
Well it’s not true. There are many things and issues I have deep feelings about, but because of the above – I stay quiet. This is my garden and every now and again, I have to weed and prune it. And fertilize it.
But at times, an outside wind blows through and shakes the ground and the rich soil I’ve planted. Stirs things up. I simply hope that something new and beautiful is planted because of it.
I know I made no sense, but it makes sense to me.
You made it this far through the rambling – have some Richard. (There will be GuyDay later.)
I get what your saying.Many years ago during the Hobbit ,Richard was eating in a restaurant in NY. He was sitting with a friend, this blogger showed a picture, I commented,” I wonder who the other person is? ” Well I Was lambasted.( How dare I ask such a question..who he is with is none of my business,just because it’s a male).I was shocked, I meant nothing by the question, just curious it looked like from the hair cut,Orlando Bloom or Aidan Turner..Both were in NY doing promos. I still read her blog but noticed you can’t have an opinion or comment contrary to her beliefs. I never comment there anymore.Other commenters are still getting lamblasted.
See I just don’t understand why people feel the need to lambast. I want people to comment on my blog and differing opinions are great!! This is the Twitter and now IG thing where people make such inappropriate and rude comments when someone innocently asks a question. I wonder where did you learn your manners? (light bulb just went off)
I tiptoe very carefully on other blogs. Some people are sensitive. To wonder who the other people in a picture are, is a typical, normal response.
I would never want you to tiptoe sensitively or tip toe at all on mine.. I want you to say what you want. I mean how much more can I entice you??
Ah, old habits. Tiptoe sensitively on others playground – dig the hell up, batten down the hatches and fire at will on mine. Of course, my original Fire At Will playground was Twitter – and then That Man joined and I started being followed by all sorts of people – lol! So I had to tone it down.
Facebook tho… Facebook, I take no prisoners and that’s the area I’m now reinspecting for my own hypocrisies. As of late, it just been a place I play games.
The last few weeks have been extremely hectic, work wise and home wise and creative wise. I have a house to clean and decorate this weekend. Actually, I”m going to clean it, put up trees and bring in the decorations. My parents are supposed to be here Monday night with Spawn and I’m going to see if they’ll help me decorate. Maybe Mom will help me repair the dining room centerpiece she gave me.
I’m already exhausted and I”ve been up 30 minutes.
I figured your blog here was a place you could be YOU
and you are very honest and why would you want a place where everyone agrees about everything and constantly blows sunshine up your ass? Again I think you can only grow by listening to other peopleβs perspectives but I
Will say this your blog post made me stop and think how I come across to people and whether I should dial things back some π€¦ββοΈπ€π€¨π
No. Your blog is yours and you do and say as you wish.
I have a shitload of social media. When I created this blog – the most recent and last one I’ve created – I really didn’t know WHAT I wanted to do with it. I’d been on Tumblr a while and quite a few people I follow had one. So I got one.
I decided early on and wanted this to be a nice place where everyone could come and chill. Politics is not a subject to chill over. Anyone who knows me I do NOT blow sunshine up anyone’s ass and I don’t expect anyone to blow sunshine up mine.
Sometimes, subjects and pictures and discussions make me dig into myself deeper – I don’t mean hiding from people, I mean think about me attitude and the way I come across to people. That’s what happened with this post I’m talking about. Part of it angered me because of it’s blatant attack badly disguised as a discussion. However, when thinking about it, I’m pretty much the same on the one place where I am blatantly openly blaringly obstinately annoyingly Conservative. This blog is the truly one place I can come to and enjoy the life that’s surrounding me because real life at times is ugly.
I also tend to piss people off when I as so much as open my mouth politically. I’ve discovered that screaming people don’t like it when you scream back.
I speaketh as She With the Windy Lungs.
I donβt know what is in the air today but I am just gonna shut down now b/c I thought discussion among various views was healthy as long as it does not descend into name calling or bullying that is one reason I was inspired to create a blog just not solely around Richard which cards on the table none of the blogs I follow underneath are about him always a social or cultural issue. Whatever
now Iβm getting sad and upset at the direction this all has gone and I feel for you as a friend and fan of your blog.
I agree completely with you. And most of the time, I’m very open. I’m painfully honest. Please don’t be upset or go change anything. My blog isn’t based solely on Richard or much of anything, tbh.
Discussion is a good thing, but it’s harder and harder to find. I wish you lived closer and you and I could just go somewhere for tea and dessert and just chat to our hearts content.
Right now, I have a dining room calling my name. So is my bedroom and bath and cave and living room. My kitchen looks MAHVELOUS!!!!
First off not to put bugs or pesticides in your garden here (I’m trying to stick with your analogy) but what subject was this discussion on? Second, there is no way in hell that you are shallow.. in fact I wish you would be more engaging in other blogs (hint hint)
Third, I’m so sorry that this decade plus friend made you feel this way. I don’t know what to say to that. I’m a loyal person I know you are too so it breaks my heart that she (I assume) would invite discussion but have a hidden agenda of my way or the highway. I think differing opinions are needed in order to engage in conversation and also to learn from it. I will say that I don’t engage in religion talk. I’m ignorant about it. I am a leaning agnostic/atheist so I stay away from discussions about that. You will never see me comment on it nor will I bring it up on my blog. Sexuality is also a taboo subject for me. Both are individual preferences and should be respected. Enough said. Hopefully you will ogle over Guy and share some pics.. Can you e-mail your friend privately and say hey what’s up, what happened there girlfriend? I hope it is salvageable.
You are greatly loved and admired here. Your silence has been deafening..
I brought the subject up, so I’m good with DISCUSSION. TODAY!
Or this weekend.
This deserves and needs a full answer and I”m trying to get my class ready for a substitute Monday and Tuesday. So tonight…
Along with GuyDay!
The bashing was bashing Christianity. In short, Christians and the Bible are violent and patriarchal. We should just keep our faith behind closed doors. That just opened up a whole can of worms for me. I’m a Christian. My faith is very important to me. I come from a long long long line of ministers. Generations of ministers – as far back as my great great great Grandfather. I as playing piano for church at age 10. No other faith was discussed or bashed or picked apart. I guess no other religion was violent or patriarchal. Only Christians were being hung up by the toes. Look. I’m getting hot under the collar already! LOL!
I have no problem with others beliefs or lack thereof. One of my dearest friends was Wiccan. Oh, when Spawn had his big major open heart surgery, a friend in another state offered to call the local coven in Atlanta and have them perform a healing dance on the hospital grounds.
We won’t mention the dance is at night and they’re sky-clad. I’m sure Emory University med students would have been pleased to watch the dance, however the police might have had a problem with the nudity laws.
There was a lovely commercial last year… about 2 elderly friends – one was a Catholic priest and the other was Muslim. Or maybe it was a Jewish Rabbi and a Muslim. I forget. Either way, it shows the two of them enjoying tea and talking and talking and both realizing the other is creaking when he stands. So they bought each other knee pads. I thought it was lovely. And that’s how it should be. Why do we have to make fun of each other and mock them? I know I’m really bad, but I’m pretty open about it. I don’t mask it as a discussion. That’s what upset me – let’s discuss this – slappity slappity slappity!
As I didn’t participate in the conversation, but just moved on, there’s no reason to discuss it with her. She made negative statements about Christianity in the past, so I’m not shocked. Our friendship is based on other things in common. I have a lot of friends, both Liberal and Conservative who are of the my way or the highway persuasion. My personal belief is my wall, my opinion, bottom line. But at times I do want discussion and there’s a difference. I was just upset that I misinterpreted the bash to be something else. In a sense, it opened my eyes to how I might be perceived when I’m being a Conservative bitch.
Yeah see that is why I stay away from religion b/c it is a
personal wall (nicely put) and Iβm just not educated enough nor involved enough to where it plays a role in my life. Clearly though her discussion upset you so hopefully as she is a 10 year old friend you can tell her how you felt or how one sided the discussion seemed
Really not necessary to discuss the situation with her. She’s made her feelings known for a long time on both religion and politics and the only thing that is important to me now, is to analyze why it upset me. Most likely because it brought to light my own personal hypocrisies and now I can work on how to deal with that.
I agree with you too. And also donβt understand why people need to lambast. Occasionally I come across a comment to, say, a newspaper article that is so ludicrous and/or ignorant that I feel I ought to say something. I sit on my hands and let it go now, whereas in the past, when there was more civility in the world, I might have got involved. Nicely, I hope. I’m a great believer in the saying that if you can’t say something constructive, keep quiet.
Helen, I think you hit the nail on its head: civility it seems to have disappeared now a days and that is disturbing and sad… along with too much violence in the world and on tv (my rant)
Hm, sounds frustrating. I’m also wondering, though, whether she might have made more of an effort at having a discussion with someone who thinks differently, if it had been with someone she knew? I’m just thinking how I would approach situations like this, and I think I’d be more inclined to discuss controversial opinions if I *knew* that person… I.e. maybe, if you had taken part in it, it might have been different than you think?
I’ve tried to participate in those sorts of discussions with her in the past. It’s always me against the world and one particular time I irritated her so badly with my opposing pov I was ‘turned off’ for a few days.
I mean… c’mon… we can agree to disagree, right? My former boyfriend was rather Liberal and we had a long discussion about politics when he came up the first time. It was rather enlightening because after an hour of driving all over Tybee Island and talking about the nitty gritty, he said – you know, we both agree there’s a problem, what we differ on is how to go about fixing it. We simply have different ways of approaching it and solving it.
I’m thinking – YES!!!! Wouldn’t it be nice if our elected officials could figure that out??? Think of how much stronger we as a country would be!
But then he fucked it up so, never mind!
Ah, ok, so you’ve had experience with this kind of thing. Well, I suppose you have drawn your own conclusion. She obviously doesn’t welcome dissent but only wants to discuss with people who share her opinion. Boring. And not constructive. But well, some people find dissent very difficult…
You know, I’ve said it many times – I don’t debate well. Constructive Dissent is one thing but I don’t see a lot of it.
This Lean Cuisine Chicken Panini was good, but not enough. Meh.
I hear you, and because I tend to lean more to the conservative side, I often keep certain posts off my FB page. I usually try to stay impartial until I have the facts regarding a post. Just today I came across a post from Michelle Forbes regarding the immigration crisis at our border. The headline of the post was basically accusing the US of writing numbers on the arms of the immigrants. Of course, you can imagine the responses to this headline and the comparison to the holocaust. Nowadays, people get their news from a headline without reading the facts in the article. Turns out it was a Mexican organization who was doing this so people would know their number in line. I was so tempted to correct their assumption, but I knew my point would not get past their outrage.
Donβt even get me started on MF she is a hypocrite and ignorant. Sheβs not even liberal she just likes to stir the pot and is sooo pretentious. Everything is ok when it suites her agenda but she has no real grasp of the real world just lives in her own self centered bubble ππ€¦ββοΈπ€¨π
Her anti-meat stance is obnoxious. Again, there is a reason why I stay away from her period.
She didnβt even promote BS3 on Twitter and she unfortunately has a huge role this time around!! ππ
There are people who simply look for something to be outraged about. And there are reasons why I don’t go near Michelle Forbes’ anything.
Yeah I know she posted 2 pics w Richard last night ugh I wish he would stay away from her
Sheβs toxic in all the wrong places!!ππ€£ππ
yeah, I saw and I think she made a point that he likes to cuddle the weird things. The dog IS cute….
Henry is super cute and I ranted in Servetus blog about MF incessantly last night so I wonβt infuse your blog here with my commentary. He needs to just stay away from toxic people like her. Get a BBC series or go ski in the Alps but not that nut bagπππ€―
Henry is super cute, and my fat boy cat is sitting on the edge of the bed staring at me like Snoopy pretending to be a vulture.
Personally, I think the man needs a dog, but I think because of the way he travels, he thinks it would be difficult.
Absolutely he needs a dog I have three so he can become daddy anytime he wants!! As long as I get the benefits of his affectionππππππ
I have kitties. They are largely independent and I can leave them for up to 4 days. Actually, I could leave them a week, if I put out enough litter boxes, but I don’t like leaving them more to 3 to 4 days.
See my sis has 4 now 2 girls and 2 boys and the boys were friendly at Thanksgiving but the girls were like who the fuck are you all?
Cats or dogs? My cats are shy. We have company (or rain) and they are either under Spawn’s bed for the duration or up in my box springs.
I need to buy a double fitted sheet and put it on the box springs upside down so they won’t crawl up in it anymore. Lord Thunderbutt went up there once with a catnip toy and stoned sang for me all night.
She has cats as do the brother and sis in law for m the dog person I need my pups to love on me and they are lik kids ! Cats like me but then some donβt
Way too much for a people pleaser like me to handle!!
Well you can’t be that bad love, I’m still here and you know my politics lol. I’m your bona fida ‘commie’ friend!
My dad, who was the sweetest man you could ever have met, said “he who shouts first knows he’s lost the arguement”. I know this to be true.
Xxxxxxxxxxxx
Youβre dad and my dad should meet! πππ€£
I love you and you know that but if we sat down and totally discussed politics, I’d tick off you so quick. I can get so obnoxious! I don’t like yelling and once you start yelling – yeah, your dad is right – the discussion is over and gone and lost and people are fed up with each other and I’d just rather not get to that point with my friends.
There have been times I’ve been involved with deep energetic discussions with friends whose opinion differs from mine – and with one it always ends up she’s really being ugly and I have to step back and decide – what’s more important – me proving i’m right or the friendship? The friendship wins. All the time. (Actually twice it didn’t but that’s neither here or there.) People I love, I’d just soon enjoy with them what we have in common. Richard anyone?
To chime in here there are a ton of topics to discuss that do not involve politics or religion that you can engage
in healthy dialogue and not just fashion and movies and books and I take severe umbrage that you would think yourself or any body who loves to discuss fashion and food and weather temps and a wealth of other topics as shallow.., all the commenters here are smart and funny and compassionate and read your blog b/c you are smart and funny and compassionate !!! And for Richard of course πππππππππππππ
YOU! Need to live closer to me.
Girlfriend Iβm like 3 states away! Iβll check Savannah deals out in the new year ie flight hotel (not Hilton π€£π€£π)! What are you going on Tuesday? Family gonna take you out?
THe airport is like 15 miles from me! Next exit down!!!!
I don’t know what we’re doing on Tuesday! I know where I”d like to go but my parents can’t stomach the spices! Who knows…
I’d love him to still be around, but I think he’d be disappointed in the way the world is just repeating the mistakes he and his generation fought to put right.
But on the other hand, he’d LOVE Google!
Me, I’m as shallow as Hell dear, I love handbags, cloths, films, good books, nice food, holidays, obviously my kidsπ
But above all, I love people.
That makes you a treasure shallow would be Kardashianβs
or MF πππ€£π€£πππππ
Yeah, Karashian’s are the poster family of shallow.
Yup !! And that Jenner βwomanβ too π
That’s why you and I are friends! Fuck politics!
I don’t know much about the Kardashian ( funny auto correct respelt it for me π€) I seriously thought they were Star Trek characters. But I now know it’s all about impossible figures, giggling and family rows. Not very interesting.
I can’t understand why they’re famous, why anyone would be interested in them and who cares already. OOOH! New clothing catalog I’ve not seen…
Love you hun lol
Me too πππππ
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